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LoginI suspected that the crux of the matter would be whether or not Puerto Ricans were considered Spanish citizens before 1898.
I myself am eligible for Spanish citizenship under the one year residency rule, but cannot - for a variety of reasons - spend an entire year as a Spanish resident right now.
Please let us all know how your quest for Spanish or dual citizenship resolves itself.
I am, by the way, very insulted by the proposed new US government's "citizenship test" rules. How many of our government officials could successfully pass it is a question I have not even heard raised.
Can I Claim Spanish Nationality?
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Respecto a lo que estais diciendo, José Rafael y Bob.
La Constitución de la Primera República (1873-1874) decía lo siguiente:
TITULO I
De la Nación española
Articulo 1
Componen la Nación española los Estados de Andalucía Alta, Andalucía Baja, Aragón, Asturias, Baleares, Canarias, Castilla la Nueva, Castilla la Vieja, Cataluña, Cuba, Extremadura, Galicia, Murcia, Navarra, Puerto Rico, Valencia, Regiones Vascongadas.
Los Estados podrán conservar las actuales provincias o modificarlas según sus necesidades territoriales.
Articulo 2
Las islas Filipinas, de Femando Poo, Annobón, Corisco, y los establecimientos de Africa componen territorios que, a medida de sus progresos, se elevarán a Estados por los poderes públicos.
TITULO II
De los españoles y sus derechos
Articulo 3
Son españoles:
1.° Todas las personas nacidas en territorio español.
2.° Los hijos de padre o madre españoles, aunque hayan nacido fuera de España.
3.° Los extranjeros que hayan obtenido carta de naturaleza.
4.' Los que, sin ella, hayan ganado vecindad en cualquier pueblo del territorio español.
La calidad de español se adquiere, se conserva y se pierde con arreglo a lo que determinan las leyes.
Cuando la Primera República, federalista, fue abolida mediante el golpe de estado del general Pavía, el siguiente proyecto de constitución aprobado fue monárquico. Alfonso XII signó tras aprobación en las Cortes la Constitución de 1876, que decía lo siguiente:
TÍTULO PRIMERO - DE LOS ESPAÑOLES Y SUS DERECHOS
Artículo 1º. Son españoles:
Primero. Las personas nacidas en territorio español.
Segundo. Los hijos de padre o madre españoles, aunque hayan nacido fuera de España.
Tercero. Los extranjeros que hayan obtenido carta de naturaleza.
Cuarto. Los que sin ella hayan ganado vecindad en cualquier pueblo de la Monarquía.
La calidad de español se pierde: por adquirir naturaleza en país extranjero y por admitir empleo de otro Gobierno sin licencia del Rey.
Respecto a Puerto Rico hay una mención explícita:
TÍTULO XIII - DEL GOBIERNO DE LAS PROVINCIAS DE ULTRAMAR
Art. 89. Las provincias de Ultramar serán gobernadas por leyes especiales; pero el Gobierno queda autorizado para aplicar a las mismas, con las modificaciones que juzgue convenientes y dando cuenta a las Cortes, las leyes promulgadas o que se promulguen para la Península.
Cuba y Puerto Rico serán representadas en las Cortes del Reino en la forma que determine una ley especial, que podrá ser diversa para cada una de las dos provincias.
Ésta era la constitución vigente en el momento de la consecución de la independencia de Cuba, Puerto Rico y Filipinas respecto a la corona española, en 1898, sin otros cambios hasta la proclamación de la Segunda República en 1931.
Lo que se puede sacar en limpio es que, hasta el preciso momento de la independencia de Puerto Rico, sus habitantes tenían la plena nacionalidad, idéntica a la de cualquier peninsular. Otra cosa diferente es saber exactamente qué ocurrió con cada persona concreta después de ese momento, si por ejemplo Fulano decidió conservar la nacionalidad española o bien adoptar la puertorriqueña, o si Mengano la perdió por tomar partido por los independentistas, adquirir cargos de autoridad en el nuevo Estado, etc, cosa que era incompatible con la legislación española. En este sentido, si bien una buena parte de la población de Cuba era partidaria de la independencia, en Puerto Rico existía más división entre los independentistas y los unionistas.
Ahí ya se trataría por lo tanto de rastrear la historia familiar concreta.
Saludos
La Constitución de la Primera República (1873-1874) decía lo siguiente:
TITULO I
De la Nación española
Articulo 1
Componen la Nación española los Estados de Andalucía Alta, Andalucía Baja, Aragón, Asturias, Baleares, Canarias, Castilla la Nueva, Castilla la Vieja, Cataluña, Cuba, Extremadura, Galicia, Murcia, Navarra, Puerto Rico, Valencia, Regiones Vascongadas.
Los Estados podrán conservar las actuales provincias o modificarlas según sus necesidades territoriales.
Articulo 2
Las islas Filipinas, de Femando Poo, Annobón, Corisco, y los establecimientos de Africa componen territorios que, a medida de sus progresos, se elevarán a Estados por los poderes públicos.
TITULO II
De los españoles y sus derechos
Articulo 3
Son españoles:
1.° Todas las personas nacidas en territorio español.
2.° Los hijos de padre o madre españoles, aunque hayan nacido fuera de España.
3.° Los extranjeros que hayan obtenido carta de naturaleza.
4.' Los que, sin ella, hayan ganado vecindad en cualquier pueblo del territorio español.
La calidad de español se adquiere, se conserva y se pierde con arreglo a lo que determinan las leyes.
Cuando la Primera República, federalista, fue abolida mediante el golpe de estado del general Pavía, el siguiente proyecto de constitución aprobado fue monárquico. Alfonso XII signó tras aprobación en las Cortes la Constitución de 1876, que decía lo siguiente:
TÍTULO PRIMERO - DE LOS ESPAÑOLES Y SUS DERECHOS
Artículo 1º. Son españoles:
Primero. Las personas nacidas en territorio español.
Segundo. Los hijos de padre o madre españoles, aunque hayan nacido fuera de España.
Tercero. Los extranjeros que hayan obtenido carta de naturaleza.
Cuarto. Los que sin ella hayan ganado vecindad en cualquier pueblo de la Monarquía.
La calidad de español se pierde: por adquirir naturaleza en país extranjero y por admitir empleo de otro Gobierno sin licencia del Rey.
Respecto a Puerto Rico hay una mención explícita:
TÍTULO XIII - DEL GOBIERNO DE LAS PROVINCIAS DE ULTRAMAR
Art. 89. Las provincias de Ultramar serán gobernadas por leyes especiales; pero el Gobierno queda autorizado para aplicar a las mismas, con las modificaciones que juzgue convenientes y dando cuenta a las Cortes, las leyes promulgadas o que se promulguen para la Península.
Cuba y Puerto Rico serán representadas en las Cortes del Reino en la forma que determine una ley especial, que podrá ser diversa para cada una de las dos provincias.
Ésta era la constitución vigente en el momento de la consecución de la independencia de Cuba, Puerto Rico y Filipinas respecto a la corona española, en 1898, sin otros cambios hasta la proclamación de la Segunda República en 1931.
Lo que se puede sacar en limpio es que, hasta el preciso momento de la independencia de Puerto Rico, sus habitantes tenían la plena nacionalidad, idéntica a la de cualquier peninsular. Otra cosa diferente es saber exactamente qué ocurrió con cada persona concreta después de ese momento, si por ejemplo Fulano decidió conservar la nacionalidad española o bien adoptar la puertorriqueña, o si Mengano la perdió por tomar partido por los independentistas, adquirir cargos de autoridad en el nuevo Estado, etc, cosa que era incompatible con la legislación española. En este sentido, si bien una buena parte de la población de Cuba era partidaria de la independencia, en Puerto Rico existía más división entre los independentistas y los unionistas.
Ahí ya se trataría por lo tanto de rastrear la historia familiar concreta.
Saludos
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Carlos,
Gracias por tu amabilidad en dar respuesta a mi pedido. El cuadro se complica. Por lo que entiendo, desde el perspectivo espanol, tres de mis abuelos eran Espanoles a base de la constitucion del 1873. Nada en El Trato de Paris del 1898 o del Foraker Act of 1900 les quita la nacionalidad espanola desde el punto de vista de Espana. Aunque, desde el punto de vista Americano, todos fueron considerados Puertorriquenos. Digo esto porque del punto de vista espanol, ellos no rechazaron la nacionalidad espanola.
Mi deseo seria obtener la nacionalidad espanola lo mas facilmente posible.
Esto seria posible si mis padres hubiensen tomado los pasos debidos a la edad de emancipacion para protejer sus derechos a la ciudadania espanola. No lo hicieron por ignorancia a sus derechos. Todavia tienen el derecho de recuperarla.
Recuperando ellos su derecho a la cuidadania espanola, queda la siguente pregunta. Tengo yo el derecho otorgado por el articulo 17 del codigo civil a nacionalidad espanola por haber nacido a padres espanoles? El argumento se puede presentar que al momento de mi nacimiento, mis padres no eran espanoles. Tendria que investigar si la recuperacion de la nacionalidad es retroactiva. Creo que no lo seria.
En el caso que no pueda reclamarla por medio del articulo 17, podria hacerlo por medio del articulo 22 parrafo 2 f a base de mis abuelos. En ese caso, tendria que hacer la residencia legal en Espana por un ano.
Que piensas?
Gracias por tu amabilidad en dar respuesta a mi pedido. El cuadro se complica. Por lo que entiendo, desde el perspectivo espanol, tres de mis abuelos eran Espanoles a base de la constitucion del 1873. Nada en El Trato de Paris del 1898 o del Foraker Act of 1900 les quita la nacionalidad espanola desde el punto de vista de Espana. Aunque, desde el punto de vista Americano, todos fueron considerados Puertorriquenos. Digo esto porque del punto de vista espanol, ellos no rechazaron la nacionalidad espanola.
Mi deseo seria obtener la nacionalidad espanola lo mas facilmente posible.
Esto seria posible si mis padres hubiensen tomado los pasos debidos a la edad de emancipacion para protejer sus derechos a la ciudadania espanola. No lo hicieron por ignorancia a sus derechos. Todavia tienen el derecho de recuperarla.Recuperando ellos su derecho a la cuidadania espanola, queda la siguente pregunta. Tengo yo el derecho otorgado por el articulo 17 del codigo civil a nacionalidad espanola por haber nacido a padres espanoles? El argumento se puede presentar que al momento de mi nacimiento, mis padres no eran espanoles. Tendria que investigar si la recuperacion de la nacionalidad es retroactiva. Creo que no lo seria.
En el caso que no pueda reclamarla por medio del articulo 17, podria hacerlo por medio del articulo 22 parrafo 2 f a base de mis abuelos. En ese caso, tendria que hacer la residencia legal en Espana por un ano.
Que piensas?
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Bob,
As you can see from Carlos' reply, Puerto Ricans were considered citizens prior to 1898. Based on that, I can claim nationality in Spain through my grandparents after one year's residency. That's much better than having to do it after 10 years which is the usual course. Still wouldn't it be better if I can get around the one year requirement?
As I see it, the only way to this would be through my parents.
The civil code states that an individual is a national by origen if their parents are spanairds. My parents can both make that claim. Being Spanish by origen, I as their son could then likewise claim spanish nationality by origen given that they are Spanish. The question arises, would they have to effect their right to Spanish nationality in order for me to claim my right or does their being spanish by origen suffice?
I doubt my parents would exercise their right as given their elderly age, they would be fearful that it implies giving up their American citizenship. That would potentially leave me with the Art 22 option and one year residency
Of note, I already possess the birth certificate for my paternal grandfather
born in 1891.
Anyone having an answer please advise.
As you can see from Carlos' reply, Puerto Ricans were considered citizens prior to 1898. Based on that, I can claim nationality in Spain through my grandparents after one year's residency. That's much better than having to do it after 10 years which is the usual course. Still wouldn't it be better if I can get around the one year requirement?
As I see it, the only way to this would be through my parents.
The civil code states that an individual is a national by origen if their parents are spanairds. My parents can both make that claim. Being Spanish by origen, I as their son could then likewise claim spanish nationality by origen given that they are Spanish. The question arises, would they have to effect their right to Spanish nationality in order for me to claim my right or does their being spanish by origen suffice?
I doubt my parents would exercise their right as given their elderly age, they would be fearful that it implies giving up their American citizenship. That would potentially leave me with the Art 22 option and one year residency
Of note, I already possess the birth certificate for my paternal grandfather
born in 1891.
Anyone having an answer please advise.
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Update:
Bob, Art and Carlos,
Thank you kindly for your replies and advice. I have been in communications with the Spanish Consulate. Here is the scoop:
Puerto Ricans born in Puerto Rico prior to 1898 were Spanish citizens under the Constitution of Spain 1873. As my grandparents met this qualification, under ley 36/2002, my parents are both eligible to claim Spanish nationality by origen Art. 20 para. 1b. - no residency needed - lucky them!
I would not be able to have it extended to me as Ley 36/2002 now requires that one's parents not only be spanish nationals but also they have to have been born IN Spain. Mine were not so I will NOT be able to claim spanish nationality by origen.
I am eligible for Spanish nationality by residency - one year under Article 22, para. 2f thanks to my grandparents! Hurray! Now the issue is when to do this and how to go about it. I hear it can be a nightmare.
As for problems with American citizenship I am linking the US position:
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship ... p_778.html
Americans do not presently loose their American citizen by taking on another nationality! It is not illegal to have dual citizenship in the US although the State Dept. notes that it can be problematic.
I trust this will assist others with similar situation. Now the next question is where should I seek to establish residency? Asturias? Madrid? Barcelona or Sevilla where I have family?
Again, gracias a Bob Art y Carlos quien muy amablemente se comunico conmigo. Fuerte abrazo a todos!
JoseRafael
Bob, Art and Carlos,
Thank you kindly for your replies and advice. I have been in communications with the Spanish Consulate. Here is the scoop:
Puerto Ricans born in Puerto Rico prior to 1898 were Spanish citizens under the Constitution of Spain 1873. As my grandparents met this qualification, under ley 36/2002, my parents are both eligible to claim Spanish nationality by origen Art. 20 para. 1b. - no residency needed - lucky them!
I would not be able to have it extended to me as Ley 36/2002 now requires that one's parents not only be spanish nationals but also they have to have been born IN Spain. Mine were not so I will NOT be able to claim spanish nationality by origen.
I am eligible for Spanish nationality by residency - one year under Article 22, para. 2f thanks to my grandparents! Hurray! Now the issue is when to do this and how to go about it. I hear it can be a nightmare.
As for problems with American citizenship I am linking the US position:
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship ... p_778.html
Americans do not presently loose their American citizen by taking on another nationality! It is not illegal to have dual citizenship in the US although the State Dept. notes that it can be problematic.
I trust this will assist others with similar situation. Now the next question is where should I seek to establish residency? Asturias? Madrid? Barcelona or Sevilla where I have family?
Again, gracias a Bob Art y Carlos quien muy amablemente se comunico conmigo. Fuerte abrazo a todos!
JoseRafael
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Bob
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Hola JoseRafael,
You are essentially in that same boat that I am in - eligible to claim Spanish nationality after one year's residency because one or more of our grandparents were Spanish citizens (mine born in Spain).
Thanks for the follow-up on your situation, which I am sure will help others in the future.
You are essentially in that same boat that I am in - eligible to claim Spanish nationality after one year's residency because one or more of our grandparents were Spanish citizens (mine born in Spain).
Thanks for the follow-up on your situation, which I am sure will help others in the future.
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Can I Claim Spanish Nationality
Bob
What about if one or more of your parents was born in Spain
Ron
What about if one or more of your parents was born in Spain
Ron
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Ron, some of the relevant language from the Chicago Spanish Consulate's website is:
1º.- Todas las personas cuyo padre o madre haya sido español y nacido en España podrán optar por la nacionalidad española sin límite de tiempo o de edad. Como requisito de esta opción deberán renunciar a la que tienen actualmente, salvo si es una de un país iberoamericano, Andorra, Filipinas, Guinea Ecuatorial o Portugal.
Por ejemplo: cuando un español en el extranjero había adquirido una nacionalidad extranjera, sus hijos al nacer seguían la nacionalidad extranjera del padre. Con la nueva ley, todos estos hijos, cuyo padre hubiera sido español de origen y nacido en España, pueden optar a la nacionalidad española en el Consulado más cercano a su domicilio.
Otro ejemplo: los hijos de madre española, nacida en España, nacidos antes del 29 de diciembre de 1978, también podrán optar ahora, durante toda su vida, a la nacionalidad española, si no lo hicieron durante su minoría de edad o por las disposiciones transitorias de las leyes anteriores que caducaron el 7 de enero de 1997.
In any event, talking with someone at the consulate is probably the best way to get a definitive answer.
1º.- Todas las personas cuyo padre o madre haya sido español y nacido en España podrán optar por la nacionalidad española sin límite de tiempo o de edad. Como requisito de esta opción deberán renunciar a la que tienen actualmente, salvo si es una de un país iberoamericano, Andorra, Filipinas, Guinea Ecuatorial o Portugal.
Por ejemplo: cuando un español en el extranjero había adquirido una nacionalidad extranjera, sus hijos al nacer seguían la nacionalidad extranjera del padre. Con la nueva ley, todos estos hijos, cuyo padre hubiera sido español de origen y nacido en España, pueden optar a la nacionalidad española en el Consulado más cercano a su domicilio.
Otro ejemplo: los hijos de madre española, nacida en España, nacidos antes del 29 de diciembre de 1978, también podrán optar ahora, durante toda su vida, a la nacionalidad española, si no lo hicieron durante su minoría de edad o por las disposiciones transitorias de las leyes anteriores que caducaron el 7 de enero de 1997.
In any event, talking with someone at the consulate is probably the best way to get a definitive answer.
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Ron, if one or both of your parents are born in Spain, you can claim Spanish citizenship in any moment of your life, this civil right has no date of end.
If by this way you have a children when you are Spanish citizen, and you inscribe your children at the specific Registry in your nearest Spanish embassy or consulate, this children adquire Spanish citizenship too. It's not necessary to inscribe your children at the birth date, but there is a time limit: the legal adult age. I think there is a supplementary time, 3 years, but I'm not sure.
Later this age limit, the only way for your children, Suronda for example, to obtain the Spanish citizenship is to claim it simultaneously with the residence in Spain for one year.
Greetings
If by this way you have a children when you are Spanish citizen, and you inscribe your children at the specific Registry in your nearest Spanish embassy or consulate, this children adquire Spanish citizenship too. It's not necessary to inscribe your children at the birth date, but there is a time limit: the legal adult age. I think there is a supplementary time, 3 years, but I'm not sure.
Later this age limit, the only way for your children, Suronda for example, to obtain the Spanish citizenship is to claim it simultaneously with the residence in Spain for one year.
Greetings
Puerto Ricans claiming Spanish citizenship...
Hi Jose Rafael,
I just recently stumbled over this website and so far it has been one of the most informative with regard to this very specific topic. I am basically in the same boat as you. I was born in Miami, father is from Puerto Rico born in 1927. Paternal grandfather was born in 1878 and paternal grandmother born in 1897 in Puerto Rico.
Under the Constitution of 1873-1874 I would be eligible to apply for Spanish citizenship after 1 year residency in Spain, is that right?
If so, what documents would I need to present to a Spanish consulate/embassy to move forward with this? Unfortunately I don't have any birth certificates for my grandfather and grandmother at the moment, however I have obtained death records for both, WWI & WWII registration cards (for grandfather), information from a 1910 and 1920 U.S. Census with both their details, and Social Security Numbers for both.
Lastly, how does one go about applying for permanent residency in Spain once all documents needed are obtained?
Look forward to hearing from you or anyone else with any input!
Regards,
Raúl
I just recently stumbled over this website and so far it has been one of the most informative with regard to this very specific topic. I am basically in the same boat as you. I was born in Miami, father is from Puerto Rico born in 1927. Paternal grandfather was born in 1878 and paternal grandmother born in 1897 in Puerto Rico.
Under the Constitution of 1873-1874 I would be eligible to apply for Spanish citizenship after 1 year residency in Spain, is that right?
If so, what documents would I need to present to a Spanish consulate/embassy to move forward with this? Unfortunately I don't have any birth certificates for my grandfather and grandmother at the moment, however I have obtained death records for both, WWI & WWII registration cards (for grandfather), information from a 1910 and 1920 U.S. Census with both their details, and Social Security Numbers for both.
Lastly, how does one go about applying for permanent residency in Spain once all documents needed are obtained?
Look forward to hearing from you or anyone else with any input!
Regards,
Raúl
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Hello, Raul
If one or both of your parents are alive, the process is the next:
- First step, one or both of your parents will have to claim its Spanish citizenship. For this, they should present any document (preferably the birth certificate) that demonstrates your grandparents are Spanish citizens prior to Puerto Rico's date of independence (1898). For this, you have two possible ways: ask for these papers at the Spanish Civil Registry (Ministerio de Justicia) or do the same with Puerto Rican equivalent authority.
The explanation is the next: the sons of those people born Spanish can claim for Spanish citizenship in any moment of its life. From this point, the next generation can claim Spanish citizenship, but in other way more restrictive: with a legal residence status for one year. So, the first is to state the Spanish citizenship of your grandparents as a condition for your parents can claim it too.
- Second step, when one or both of your parents are Spanish citizens, you can claim the same by the way of one year residence in Spain.
For be possible that you live in Spain for an entire year, you need some legal permissions, as: live with your Spanish family, an employer which claims for you in person, that you begin a legal business as an auto-employer, develop studies in a Spanish university, or so. This is not possible with a tourist visa, in this case you can rest in Spain only for 3 months.
For exact details, please read "Ley de Extranjería" and see the Ministry of Justice web page:
http://www.mjusticia.es/cs/Satellite?c= ... meJusticia
Cheers
If one or both of your parents are alive, the process is the next:
- First step, one or both of your parents will have to claim its Spanish citizenship. For this, they should present any document (preferably the birth certificate) that demonstrates your grandparents are Spanish citizens prior to Puerto Rico's date of independence (1898). For this, you have two possible ways: ask for these papers at the Spanish Civil Registry (Ministerio de Justicia) or do the same with Puerto Rican equivalent authority.
The explanation is the next: the sons of those people born Spanish can claim for Spanish citizenship in any moment of its life. From this point, the next generation can claim Spanish citizenship, but in other way more restrictive: with a legal residence status for one year. So, the first is to state the Spanish citizenship of your grandparents as a condition for your parents can claim it too.
- Second step, when one or both of your parents are Spanish citizens, you can claim the same by the way of one year residence in Spain.
For be possible that you live in Spain for an entire year, you need some legal permissions, as: live with your Spanish family, an employer which claims for you in person, that you begin a legal business as an auto-employer, develop studies in a Spanish university, or so. This is not possible with a tourist visa, in this case you can rest in Spain only for 3 months.
For exact details, please read "Ley de Extranjería" and see the Ministry of Justice web page:
http://www.mjusticia.es/cs/Satellite?c= ... meJusticia
Cheers
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What does a year of residency in Spain consist of? Continuous uninterrupted presence (not possible for me at present for family reasons), estabishment of a legal address for a year? Are there random checks on one's presence in the country? Does a passport record have to be submitted?
I do not want to give up my American citizenship, but I would be very pleased to establish dual citizenship. On the American end of things, all I have to do is notify the State Department of my intent (legally, I don't even have to do this, but it is a good safeguard give the whims of various administrations).
I could, of course, ask the Spanish consulate, but it's never a good idea to ask the rabbi is something if kosher unless there is no other choice.
I do not want to give up my American citizenship, but I would be very pleased to establish dual citizenship. On the American end of things, all I have to do is notify the State Department of my intent (legally, I don't even have to do this, but it is a good safeguard give the whims of various administrations).
I could, of course, ask the Spanish consulate, but it's never a good idea to ask the rabbi is something if kosher unless there is no other choice.
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Bob, if you want claim Spanish citizenship by the way of one year permanency in Spain, really you should be for one year in the country. If you have your residency in a big city as Madrid or Barcelona, the police (Policía Nacional) will go to your declared home tu survey this fact, not all days, of course, but be sure they will act so. If you stablish in a not so big city, as for instance Xixón, Uvieu, Avilés..., it is the same, there are periodical controls on foreigners that claim citizenship. And if you install in a little town, no question how little or remote it is, it is the constabularies (Guardia Civil) who develop this task. The same controls are stablished for those foreigners that become Spanish by marriage.
I realize that, equal to the US or the rest of Europe, there is a lot of knavery, but this is not easy, and act in this manner is under your own risk. If you are really interested, I can ask my attorney and meet both of you in contact. He is a wonderful professional, and a professor at the Juridical Practice School.
Cheers
I realize that, equal to the US or the rest of Europe, there is a lot of knavery, but this is not easy, and act in this manner is under your own risk. If you are really interested, I can ask my attorney and meet both of you in contact. He is a wonderful professional, and a professor at the Juridical Practice School.
Cheers
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- asturias_and_me:
Carlos, my question was intended to clarify the situation of someone who legally establishes and lives in a residence in Spain for a year, but who visits family members in the EEUU and perhaps vacations outside of Spain. Right now my primary residence (where I am registered to vote and hold a driver's licence) is Connecticut, but I spend several weeks in New York and a total of three months or so each year in Massachusetts, plus a few days in Canada. What is considered a year of residence in Spain in this sense? I had assumed (and hoped) that the authorities would make some checks to prevent abuses.
In my view, there is no point in anyone trying to scam the system, because if caught, citizenship woulod surely be revoked and there may be other penalties as well.
In my view, there is no point in anyone trying to scam the system, because if caught, citizenship woulod surely be revoked and there may be other penalties as well.