Asturian-American Migration Forum

Algún hermano de mi abuelo, Ramón Granda Bernaldo de Quirós, emigró a U.S.A. a principios del S. XX. Eran originarios de Avilés ó su area de influencia.

¿Alguien me puede ayudar?

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Trans. Art

A brother of my grandfather, Ramón Granda Bernaldo de Quirós, emigrated to the USA in the beginning of the 20th century. They were from Avilés or the area around Avilés.

Can someone help me?

¡Bienvenido, Ramón!

Nos dio su nombre y lugar de origen.

¿Tienes otra información? Toda la iguiente sería útil:

* su apodo
* fechas de nacimiento, fallecimiento, bautizo, o matrimonio, incluso aproximado
* el nombre de tu abuelo
* otros parientes (esposo, hermanos, padres, hijos, primos, abuelos)
* dónde trabajaban y en cuáles clases de trabajo
* fechas de emigración/inmigración, modo de trasporte, lugares de salida y entrada
* ??

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Welcome, Ramón!

You've given us his name and where he was from.

Do you have any other information? The all of the following would be useful:

* his nickname
* dates of birth, death, baptism, or marriage, even approximate
* the name of your grandfather
* relatives (husband/wife, brothers/sisters, parents, children, cousins, grandparents)
* where they worked and in what kind of jobs
* dates of emigration/immigration, means of transportation, places of departure and arrival
* ??

Hola Ramon...My name is Tony Carreno and I am from Tampa, Florida. Tampa had many Asturianos who arrived in the late 1800's and early 1900's. Many came via Cuba, others directly from Spain. There were several families of "Granda" in Tampa. many of whom were from the area around Infiesto. There were also Bernaldo's...Joe Bernaldo is a friend of mine...I do not know where in Asturias his father was from, but his mother was from San Roman, near Grado. Provide as much info as you can...we will be glad to help you!!

The Ellis Island records list two entries for Ramón Granda, one from Castrillon, and one from Cuba. The one from Castrillon, age 16 as of his arrival on Oct 2, 1907, listed a relative in Spain, Encarnación Pérez. He arived from Liverpool (as did my grandparents) on the ship Carmania.

The one from Cuba could be a second entry into the EEUU by the same person. He arrived on October 16, 1915 at age 24. Point of departure was Havana, he is listed as a merchant.

Quiero agradecer a Tony Carreño y a Bob sus ayudas para encontrar a mis ancestros.
A Bob le preguntaría si es posible saber el Segundo apellido de Ramón Granda que, según me dice, entró dos veces en USA. Si no es así, si es posible, de alguna manera, rastrear la pista de algún descendiente.

A Tony Carreño, también quiero agradecerle su ayuda. y decirle que Bernaldo de Quirós es un aapellido compuesto, y los Granda de los que desciendo, son
ö, de Avilés o de algún municipio cercano, incluido el de Carreño.
Muchas, muchas gracias

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Translated by Bob

I would like to thank Tony Carreño and Bob for their help in finding my ancestors.

I would ask Bob whether it is possible to know the second surname of Ramón Granda who, as you have told me [may have] twice entered the USA. If not, is it somehow possible to search for any descendents.

I would also like to thank Tony Carreño for his help and to tell him that Bernaldo de Quirós is a compound name, and that the Grandas from which I am descended are from Avilés or some nearby town, including Carreño.
Many, many thanks.

Hi Bob and Ramon,

Just to advise......as I research local genealogies here in Tampa, it has come to my attention that many Asturianos entered the USA thru Port Tampa during the late 1800's and first 3 decades of the 1900's. There was a steamship that ran between La Habana and Tampa. Most of the Spaniards were destined to remain in Tampa, working in the cigar industry, but some did proceed on to other parts of the USA. The route of travel would have typically been a ship from either La Coruna or Santander to La Habana, then on to Tampa via steamship. Some of the immigrants may have spent time in Cuba, perhaps months or years, others came directly on and merely "transferred" in La Habana. Since the quotas from Cuba were much more generous than from
Spain, many stayed in Cuba long enough to obtain Cuban citizenship, and thus would enter the USA as Cubans. Unfortunately, there does not seem to be very good records of these entries, since the immigratrion station at Port Tampa was a small one, set up primarily (probably exclusively) for the Cuba trade.

I hope this would help somewhat. I suspect that there could be a significant number of Asturianos that may have entered via Tampa. One of the ships was the "Mascotte"...can't think of the others, but I will adivse if I remember.

Ramon...what is the town of Carreno like? I have been to Asturias many times, but never to Carreno...my family is from the area around Luarca (my abuelo was from Brieves) and my abuela was from an aldea near Grado (Villanueva de Pereda). Both have been deceased for quite a while, but I really miss them and I am so proud of my Asturiano heritage!! Maybe there is some valuable land in Carreno I can claim and then I become a "rich Americano"!!! Good luck Ramon in tracing your ancestors.

Tony wrote:

Maybe there is some valuable land in Carreno I can claim and then I become a "rich Americano"!!! Good luck Ramon in tracing your ancestors

I don't know about valuable land in Carreño, but my Tio Manuel once was offered land at the top of the cliff overlooking Salinas by some distant relatives he had met in Asturias, tptally for free but on the condition that he build and occupy a home there. He was living in either Mexico or Argentina at the time and could not accept the offer. I wish he had been able to. I would love to be able to buy a piece of the land from him.

Ramón, unfortunately US immigration records for Ellis Island recorded only one surname for each person, so I cannot find the second apellido from that source. I will look at other records (Social Security Death index, etc.) to see if I can discover anything more about your relatives.

Bob

El Tampeno wrote:... Since the quotas from Cuba were much more generous than from Spain, many stayed in Cuba long enough to obtain Cuban citizenship, and thus would enter the USA as Cubans.

Unfortunately, there does not seem to be very good records of these entries, since the immigration station at Port Tampa was a small one, set up primarily (probably exclusively) for the Cuba trade. ...

Hi, Tony. That's two interesting things I haven't heard before in one paragraph! Do you have a printed source for the more generous quotas for Cubans or did come by the "Asturian oral tradition?" I've always wondered why my grandparents stayed in Cuba for a couple of years. This could be the answer.

Are there record of Tampa immigrations open to the public?

Bob, it's interesting that the Americanization of names began immediately upon entry to the US.

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El Tampeno wrote: [trans. Art] … Puesto que las cuotas de Cuba eran mucho más abundantes que de España, muchos permanecían en Cuba bastante tiempo para obtener ciudadanía cubano, y así entrarían a los E.E.U.U. como cubanos.

Desafortunadamente, no se parece haber conservado muy bien los datos sobre estas entradas, puesto que la estación de inmigración en Tampa portuaria era pequeña, instalados sobre todo (probablemente exclusivamente) para el comercio de Cuba. …

Hola, Tony. ¡Ésas son dos cosas interesantes que no he oído antes en un párrafo! Tienes una fuente imprimida para los cuotas más abundantes para los cubanos o vino ese dato por la "tradición oral asturiano"? Me he preguntado siempre porqué mis abuelos permanecían en Cuba para unos años. Ésta podía ser la razón.

¿Hay archivos de las inmigraciones a Tampa abiertos al público?

Bob, es interesante que la americanización de nombres comenzó inmediatamente con la entrada a los EE.UU.

Quiero agradecer a Bob y a Tony Carreño las informaciones que me van dando.
A Tony Carreño, el Tampeño, decirle que Carreño no es un pueblo, sinó que es un Municipio (algo parecido a los condados en USA), cuya capital es Candas, bonito pueblo marinero. Carreño está entre Gozón y Gijón y pudes conseguir mas información en las siguientes webs:

www.vivirasturias.com/turismo/carreño.html.
www.calidadrural.com/carreño.htm.

Un fuerte abrazo y saludos a todos.

Ramón.

Ramón,

The Social Security Death Index for the USA lists the following:

Ramón Granda, two entries, one born in 1927 and one in 1904. The birth years do not match that of your ancestor, assuming that my earlier post is correct, but the second may be possible if your ancestor was not recorded in Ellis Island's records. This Ramón Granda was born August 5, 1904 and died in Joliet, Illinois in May of 1986.

Ramón Bernaldo, no entries listed.

Ramón Quiros, four entries, one born in 1918, one in 1936, and one in 1959. The last was born December 5, 1890 and died in Guayanilla, Puerto Rico in March of 1970. Although the apellido is incorrect, multiple entries into the US plus a separate Social Security Application may have resulted in confision about the name. At least the year of birth matches that for one of the two people named Ramón Granda in the Ellis Island record, the one from one from Castrillon who may later have entered the US a second time from Cuba.

You can explore these records yourself at http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi
Un fuerta abrazo desde New Haven,

Bob

Hi Art.....Nice to hear from you. Concerning the immigration quotas vis a vis Cuba vs Spain.......my info. actually comes from 2 sources. There was the oral "aneccdotal" source, byt also I do recall seeing, some years ago the actual numbers reflecting that policy. I will have to search around. The archives of El Centro Asturiano de Tampa have been turned over to the University of South Florida for appropriate climate-controlled storage, but they may be viewed by the public. In those records, there were unofficial, but formal notations on immigration compiled by the Centro....things such as birthplace in Spain, date of arrival, etc.

That's interesting. So in places where there was a Centro Asturiano, it's possible that we could find non-official records on immigration, birth, etc. That'd be a helpful resource. Thanks, Tony!

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Éste es interesante. Entonces en lugares en que había un Centro Asturiano, es posible que se puede encontrar datos non-oficiales sobre inmigración, nacimiento, etc. Éso sería un recurso muy útil. ¡Gracias, Tony!